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	<title>Comments on: Moviedrome #2: Dick and Dystopia</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/02/03/moviedrome-2-dick-and-dystopia/#comment-14846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 03:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aw, man!  &lt;em&gt;Minority Report&lt;/em&gt; almost pulled off the upset!  It&#039;s obvious that Ronan prematurely declared the winner to ensure the &lt;em&gt;Bladerunner&lt;/em&gt; win.  Scared, aren&#039;t you Ronan?  You and the rest of your thirty-something KB friends don&#039;t want to face the obvious truth: the 80&#039;s were a cultural wasteland.  Well I&#039;ve got news for you: rigging the results to ensure a &lt;em&gt;Bladerunner&lt;/em&gt; win over the clearly superior &lt;em&gt;Minority Report&lt;/em&gt; won&#039;t change that fact.  Also, it&#039;s not cool to pretend to be a Jedi and Erasure were not talented.  Face it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, man!  <em>Minority Report</em> almost pulled off the upset!  It&#8217;s obvious that Ronan prematurely declared the winner to ensure the <em>Bladerunner</em> win.  Scared, aren&#8217;t you Ronan?  You and the rest of your thirty-something KB friends don&#8217;t want to face the obvious truth: the 80&#8242;s were a cultural wasteland.  Well I&#8217;ve got news for you: rigging the results to ensure a <em>Bladerunner</em> win over the clearly superior <em>Minority Report</em> won&#8217;t change that fact.  Also, it&#8217;s not cool to pretend to be a Jedi and Erasure were not talented.  Face it!</p>
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		<title>By: Elisabeth</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/02/03/moviedrome-2-dick-and-dystopia/#comment-14845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elisabeth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, Tom! Fantastic comment. Thanks for the review. Ditto on why MR is better than BR. Although, BR gets kudos for being an excellent film and a trendsetter, MR is a much more watchable and entertaining movie (kind of like recognizing that you have to slog through &quot;War and Peace&quot; at some point, but that you&#039;d much rather be reading &quot;People&quot; magazine).  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Tom! Fantastic comment. Thanks for the review. Ditto on why MR is better than BR. Although, BR gets kudos for being an excellent film and a trendsetter, MR is a much more watchable and entertaining movie (kind of like recognizing that you have to slog through &#8220;War and Peace&#8221; at some point, but that you&#8217;d much rather be reading &#8220;People&#8221; magazine).  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched &lt;em&gt;Blade Runner&lt;/em&gt; and rewatched &lt;em&gt;Minority Report&lt;/em&gt;.  &lt;em&gt;Minority Report&lt;/em&gt; wins.

Before I pick my fight with the &lt;em&gt;BR&lt;/em&gt; lovers I should say that I liked it a lot.  It&#039;s very thoughtful and thought-provoking.  It&#039;s just that &lt;em&gt;MR&lt;/em&gt; is superior.

The biggest advantage that &lt;em&gt;MR&lt;/em&gt; has is the narrative.  &lt;em&gt;MR&lt;/em&gt; is a more engaging and more complex story and it is a much better-told story.  It&#039;s perfectly fluid, perfectly paced, and perfectly put together.  &lt;em&gt;BR&lt;/em&gt; suffers, I think, because it can&#039;t decide on a protagonist.  I understand that you&#039;re supposed to sympathize with both Deckard (the Harrison Ford character) and Roy Batty (the Rutger Hauer character) so that you&#039;re conflicted during the climactic confrontation between the two and I think the film accomplishes this.  But the dual protagonist thing, at least the way it was done here, makes for a clunky narrative.  There is too much time in which the title character is not onscreen.  Not only that, a lot of the onscreen action is entirely inconsequential to Deckard.  You don&#039;t get the sense that Deckard is even actively pursuing the replicants for much of the time and what is shown of the pursuit is disjointed.  The viewer doesn&#039;t fully participate in the pursuit from either perspective.  Additionally, Scott spends too much time showing us the Future itself, as opposed to the characters&#039; interaction with the Future, which detracts from our engagement with the characters&#039; plights.  All of which makes for a viewing experience that is less engaging and less entertaining than the purely protagonist-driven narrative of &lt;em&gt;MR&lt;/em&gt;.

Here&#039;s my hack Monday morning filmmaker suggestion for a better way to handle the &lt;em&gt;BR&lt;/em&gt; material: re-title it &lt;em&gt;Replicants&lt;/em&gt;, make Roy Batty a stronger protagonist, and make Deckard a sympathetic (to the viewer) antagonist along the lines of the Tommy Lee Jones character in &lt;em&gt;The Fugitive&lt;/em&gt;.  I think this could&#039;ve been done without losing the philosophical elements of the material and it could make for a film that&#039;s more enjoyable to watch.

SPOILER ALERT!

I agree somewhat with the &lt;em&gt;MR&lt;/em&gt; detractors that think the resolution of the story is too emotionally tidy.  It didn&#039;t bother me as much as it bothered others, though--for the most part the characters acted as one would expect them to.  Which brings me to my problem with the ending of &lt;em&gt;BR&lt;/em&gt;.  I&#039;m trying to understand why Deckard decided to run away rather than finish Batty off with the gun, why he didn&#039;t pick the gun back up when he dropped it, and especially why Batty saved Deckard&#039;s life.  I&#039;m trying to come up with an answer other than, &quot;Because the movie needs to end with Deckard alive listening to Batty&#039;s dying man monologue,&quot; but a lot of the final sequence felt a bit contrived.  Does anybody have a more satisfying answer?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched <em>Blade Runner</em> and rewatched <em>Minority Report</em>.  <em>Minority Report</em> wins.</p>
<p>Before I pick my fight with the <em>BR</em> lovers I should say that I liked it a lot.  It&#8217;s very thoughtful and thought-provoking.  It&#8217;s just that <em>MR</em> is superior.</p>
<p>The biggest advantage that <em>MR</em> has is the narrative.  <em>MR</em> is a more engaging and more complex story and it is a much better-told story.  It&#8217;s perfectly fluid, perfectly paced, and perfectly put together.  <em>BR</em> suffers, I think, because it can&#8217;t decide on a protagonist.  I understand that you&#8217;re supposed to sympathize with both Deckard (the Harrison Ford character) and Roy Batty (the Rutger Hauer character) so that you&#8217;re conflicted during the climactic confrontation between the two and I think the film accomplishes this.  But the dual protagonist thing, at least the way it was done here, makes for a clunky narrative.  There is too much time in which the title character is not onscreen.  Not only that, a lot of the onscreen action is entirely inconsequential to Deckard.  You don&#8217;t get the sense that Deckard is even actively pursuing the replicants for much of the time and what is shown of the pursuit is disjointed.  The viewer doesn&#8217;t fully participate in the pursuit from either perspective.  Additionally, Scott spends too much time showing us the Future itself, as opposed to the characters&#8217; interaction with the Future, which detracts from our engagement with the characters&#8217; plights.  All of which makes for a viewing experience that is less engaging and less entertaining than the purely protagonist-driven narrative of <em>MR</em>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my hack Monday morning filmmaker suggestion for a better way to handle the <em>BR</em> material: re-title it <em>Replicants</em>, make Roy Batty a stronger protagonist, and make Deckard a sympathetic (to the viewer) antagonist along the lines of the Tommy Lee Jones character in <em>The Fugitive</em>.  I think this could&#8217;ve been done without losing the philosophical elements of the material and it could make for a film that&#8217;s more enjoyable to watch.</p>
<p>SPOILER ALERT!</p>
<p>I agree somewhat with the <em>MR</em> detractors that think the resolution of the story is too emotionally tidy.  It didn&#8217;t bother me as much as it bothered others, though&#8211;for the most part the characters acted as one would expect them to.  Which brings me to my problem with the ending of <em>BR</em>.  I&#8217;m trying to understand why Deckard decided to run away rather than finish Batty off with the gun, why he didn&#8217;t pick the gun back up when he dropped it, and especially why Batty saved Deckard&#8217;s life.  I&#8217;m trying to come up with an answer other than, &#8220;Because the movie needs to end with Deckard alive listening to Batty&#8217;s dying man monologue,&#8221; but a lot of the final sequence felt a bit contrived.  Does anybody have a more satisfying answer?</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/02/03/moviedrome-2-dick-and-dystopia/#comment-14843</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is really good.  I don&#039;t know why Dark City is overlooked.  Ebert listed it as best movie of the year when it came out, and gives a great audio commentary on the DVD (he should do more of these--his commentaries are superb).

Matrix and Dark City cover much of the same ground-- Dark City as Sci-fi Noir, Matrix as sci-fi action.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really good.  I don&#8217;t know why Dark City is overlooked.  Ebert listed it as best movie of the year when it came out, and gives a great audio commentary on the DVD (he should do more of these&#8211;his commentaries are superb).</p>
<p>Matrix and Dark City cover much of the same ground&#8211; Dark City as Sci-fi Noir, Matrix as sci-fi action.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dc,
how come I&#039;ve never heard of Dark City. looks really good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dc,<br />
how come I&#8217;ve never heard of Dark City. looks really good.</p>
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		<title>By: dc</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 02:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ned Flanders rightly pointed out the suckitude of Vanilla Sky-- Matrix vs. Dark City, I think would be a better comparison (the first Matrix only; the other two brought new meaning to the word &quot;suckitude.&quot;

more on Dark City:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_city]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned Flanders rightly pointed out the suckitude of Vanilla Sky&#8211; Matrix vs. Dark City, I think would be a better comparison (the first Matrix only; the other two brought new meaning to the word &#8220;suckitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>more on Dark City:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_city" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_city</a></p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meems]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ronan, thank you!  I guess I&#039;m not very abstract random right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ronan, thank you!  I guess I&#8217;m not very abstract random right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ronan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Meems,
You want rules?! OK, 1) watch the movies, and 2)come back and vote next week (when I will post a blogpoll on this post, as I did for #1). In the meantime, discuss away and suggest other films by all means.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meems,<br />
You want rules?! OK, 1) watch the movies, and 2)come back and vote next week (when I will post a blogpoll on this post, as I did for #1). In the meantime, discuss away and suggest other films by all means.</p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[meems]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 13:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing wrong with Vanilla Sky, was that you couldn&#039;t see Tom Cruise&#039;s real face for most of the movie. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing wrong with Vanilla Sky, was that you couldn&#8217;t see Tom Cruise&#8217;s real face for most of the movie. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: NFlanders</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 08:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AI and Vanilla Sky should not be allowed in the Moviedrome, on account of their overwhelming suckitude.

This is a good match-up, Elisabeth. I&#039;ll have to rent BR again; I remember renting it because of its mythical status and not enjoying it. I remember that half the time it was so dark I couldn&#039;t see what was going on.

MR was slick-looking, but not all that deep.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI and Vanilla Sky should not be allowed in the Moviedrome, on account of their overwhelming suckitude.</p>
<p>This is a good match-up, Elisabeth. I&#8217;ll have to rent BR again; I remember renting it because of its mythical status and not enjoying it. I remember that half the time it was so dark I couldn&#8217;t see what was going on.</p>
<p>MR was slick-looking, but not all that deep.</p>
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