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		<title>By: Tim J.</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim J.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 05:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would appearing on &quot;The Simpsons&quot; constitute selling-out?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would appearing on &#8220;The Simpsons&#8221; constitute selling-out?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16873</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really blame any artists for &quot;selling out.&quot; If I had any real creative talent, I&#039;d make as much money with it as I could. So I don&#039;t have any animosity for The Who or the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin, even though I think it&#039;s sort of sad that their hits are now basically heard as jingles, rather than great rock songs. (By the way, didn&#039;t &quot;The Who Sell Out&quot; predate Moby by a couple of decades?) I love the Ramones, even though Joey would have sold his soul to have a top 40 hit, and would have licensed his stuff to anyone.

But,

I do have a special respect for artists who just can&#039;t bring themselves to allow their creations to be associated with images and products that they find to be inconsistent with their art, or who turn down a lot of money to retain artistic control of their output.  People like Neil Young, Pearl Jam, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, and Fugazi have done this for years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really blame any artists for &#8220;selling out.&#8221; If I had any real creative talent, I&#8217;d make as much money with it as I could. So I don&#8217;t have any animosity for The Who or the Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin, even though I think it&#8217;s sort of sad that their hits are now basically heard as jingles, rather than great rock songs. (By the way, didn&#8217;t &#8220;The Who Sell Out&#8221; predate Moby by a couple of decades?) I love the Ramones, even though Joey would have sold his soul to have a top 40 hit, and would have licensed his stuff to anyone.</p>
<p>But,</p>
<p>I do have a special respect for artists who just can&#8217;t bring themselves to allow their creations to be associated with images and products that they find to be inconsistent with their art, or who turn down a lot of money to retain artistic control of their output.  People like Neil Young, Pearl Jam, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, and Fugazi have done this for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Susan&#039;s comment 25: Supergenius, I think we have a fun Thunderdome in there somewhere...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Susan&#8217;s comment 25: Supergenius, I think we have a fun Thunderdome in there somewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t buy Gordon Gano&#039;s schtick. Lennon denied Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about drugs forever, but Paul has now admitted it was (along with almost every other Beatles song after Dylan gave them their first joint).  Gano is probably just embarrassed at his youthful enthusiasms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t buy Gordon Gano&#8217;s schtick. Lennon denied Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was about drugs forever, but Paul has now admitted it was (along with almost every other Beatles song after Dylan gave them their first joint).  Gano is probably just embarrassed at his youthful enthusiasms.</p>
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		<title>By: meems</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16870</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had an acting teacher who told me I was &quot;commercial.&quot;  The whole class stared at the teacher in horror, and then he said, &quot;calling someone commercial is my highest compliment.  It means people will pay money to see you.&quot; So having people pay money to hear your songs isn&#039;t a bad thing, weather it&#039;s in a little club or on tv.  
 
I guess The Beatles sold out when they put on the Brian Epstein suits.
Or when Marie Osmond got pierced ears.  Oh wait, you&#039;re all too young to remember that!! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had an acting teacher who told me I was &#8220;commercial.&#8221;  The whole class stared at the teacher in horror, and then he said, &#8220;calling someone commercial is my highest compliment.  It means people will pay money to see you.&#8221; So having people pay money to hear your songs isn&#8217;t a bad thing, weather it&#8217;s in a little club or on tv.  </p>
<p>I guess The Beatles sold out when they put on the Brian Epstein suits.<br />
Or when Marie Osmond got pierced ears.  Oh wait, you&#8217;re all too young to remember that!! <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16869</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guess I&#039;d better take if off my playlist of songs about masturbation, then!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess I&#8217;d better take if off my playlist of songs about masturbation, then!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy B.</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randy B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Susan M. (#19):  

For what it&#039;s worth, Gordon Gano (the guy who wrote the lyrics) has denied that theory.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blister_in_the_Sun

True or not, the song still rocks, as does the rest of the album.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan M. (#19):  </p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Gordon Gano (the guy who wrote the lyrics) has denied that theory.  </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blister_in_the_Sun" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blister_in_the_Sun</a></p>
<p>True or not, the song still rocks, as does the rest of the album.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan M</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16867</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom, don&#039;t be a sell out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, don&#8217;t be a sell out.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16866</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Fletcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Once the art is made, though (like an old Who song), how do you know the artist altered it for the audience? And also, the field I work in (musical theater) constantly previews the work for audiences, so that it can be tailored to them, because the work will be a failure if it can&#039;t find an audience -- the audience makes it an active, not passive experience.

Again, I say The Who&#039;s songs served their original &quot;artistic&quot; purpose long ago, and nobody&#039;s changing them or altering them for a new purpose -- they&#039;re just using them, in a way that will cement their reputations as great songs. A &quot;standard&quot; is a song that just goes on and on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the art is made, though (like an old Who song), how do you know the artist altered it for the audience? And also, the field I work in (musical theater) constantly previews the work for audiences, so that it can be tailored to them, because the work will be a failure if it can&#8217;t find an audience &#8212; the audience makes it an active, not passive experience.</p>
<p>Again, I say The Who&#8217;s songs served their original &#8220;artistic&#8221; purpose long ago, and nobody&#8217;s changing them or altering them for a new purpose &#8212; they&#8217;re just using them, in a way that will cement their reputations as great songs. A &#8220;standard&#8221; is a song that just goes on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://kulturblog.com/2006/01/10/selling-out/#comment-16865</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[D.: &lt;em&gt;ItÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s all semantics and quasi-logic.&lt;/em&gt;

I would also add that it&#039;s a question of very little consequence.  It&#039;s just a fun part of hipster posturing.  For people to whom individualism is a high virtue, conformity is a vice.  

D.: &lt;em&gt;I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t think thereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s a single artist in the world who didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t try to sell their work to an audience, starting with the Greek playwrights.&lt;/em&gt;

The point isn&#039;t what they do with their work once it&#039;s done.  It&#039;s why they make it the way they do.  Calling an artist a sellout is accusing them of changing from making their art according to their own unique aesthetic sensibilities to making their art to conform to a marketable aesthetic that is not their own.

You certainly can change your mind or change your aesthetic sensibilities without being a sellout.  Those of us who like to call people sellouts are presuming that we know what&#039;s going on inside the heads of those that we are accusing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.: <em>ItÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s all semantics and quasi-logic.</em></p>
<p>I would also add that it&#8217;s a question of very little consequence.  It&#8217;s just a fun part of hipster posturing.  For people to whom individualism is a high virtue, conformity is a vice.  </p>
<p>D.: <em>I donÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t think thereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s a single artist in the world who didnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t try to sell their work to an audience, starting with the Greek playwrights.</em></p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t what they do with their work once it&#8217;s done.  It&#8217;s why they make it the way they do.  Calling an artist a sellout is accusing them of changing from making their art according to their own unique aesthetic sensibilities to making their art to conform to a marketable aesthetic that is not their own.</p>
<p>You certainly can change your mind or change your aesthetic sensibilities without being a sellout.  Those of us who like to call people sellouts are presuming that we know what&#8217;s going on inside the heads of those that we are accusing.</p>
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